An Atheist Debates with Dr Zakir

May 27, 2019 · 24:48
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morning mr. zakir naik my name is jaime

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sh domani

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first of all i want to thank you for

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what you're doing you have really taken

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a lot away from me I'm sure my question

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is on your point number three actually I

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have three questions if you could be so

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kind but on point number three first of

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all I felt that you it was very evasive

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your your answer but what I'm going to

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ask you is very simple when you talk

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about terrorism when you talk about

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Islam now this is a very simple

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straightforward question I hope I can

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get a straightforward answer with what's

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happening in Pakistan Iraq Afghanistan

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just to name a few I'm not stereotyping

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I hope no one takes offence but when you

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hear on the news that a woman is cooking

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food for our kids and in a suicide

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bomber comes and kills them I want to

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ask you a simple question what is that

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is that Islam or is that people who

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don't understand what Islam is and they

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have their own perception of Islam and

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please let me ask you one more thing can

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you give me an answer that is not in

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world war one or something there were

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more people that died or this is all

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propaganda and these are Americans

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killing people and your mindset then

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again by circling the weather of the

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question that the years in Afghanistan

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in Pakistan a woman cooking for us who

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said Mumbai comes and blows up and kills

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as far as it's not what the media is

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saying forget about it I'll give you

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ruling of Islam whether what the media

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says right or wrong Quran says in surah

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maidah chapter number 5 verse number 32

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if anyone kills any other human being

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unless it be for murder

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or for spreading corruption in the land

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it is as though he has killed the whole

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of humanity any person kills any other

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human being where the Muslim or

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non-muslim unless it be for murder

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or for spreading corruption in the land

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it is as though he has killed the whole

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of humanity and if any human being saved

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that the human being it is as though he

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has saved the whole nation so-called

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with the Quran killing any single in

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human being is prohibited if a suicide

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bomber comes and kills a woman who's

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cooking Jennison it is 100% prohibited

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whether they're in Pakistan Afghanistan

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America Dubai is the answer clear okay

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hundred percent off whoever was doing it

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whoever was doing it whoever doing it

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whether namesake Muslim or American or

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propaganda whoever's doing it it is

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totally prohibited okay fine since the

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clear answer that hundred wasn't clear

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whether you do anyone does wrong yeah

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100 percent wrong it is as though yes

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killed the whole of humanity there is no

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other scripture that I know of today

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there's no other scripture that I know

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of today that gives this statement that

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if you kill one human being it is as

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though you killed all you might accept

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the Koran there's no other scripture

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that I know we say that if you say one

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human me you have saved the whole of

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humanity no other scripture perfect now

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can I ask you something

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if you're emotional this is wrong yeah

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and there wasn't no fine fine fine now

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why are you here the way I look at it

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all of these innocent loving people here

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why isn't this convention somewhere like

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Afghanistan and Pakistan trying to teach

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people that what they are doing is not

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Islam and it's just some brainwashed

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chaos and that they're going to go to

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hell and they're not going to go to

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heaven for killing innocent people for

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the 9/11 attacks for the London bombings

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innocent people died if I don't like you

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and I kill you it's more justified than

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if I don't like somebody if I don't like

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Jews and I go and kill innocent

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Americans with families why don't you go

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and educate these people and have a

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better cause rather than converting four

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or five people here Marcia thousands of

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lives but rather last a very good

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question

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he is telling me why don't they go to

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Pakistan to Afghanistan and spread this

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message and prevent this brother I go

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every day even now I'm going there I am

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on the satellite we have peace TV

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reaching 100 million people this is how

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much that's what

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twenty thirty thousand people the

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audience here will be twenty thirty

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thousand people not more than that you

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see that recording why do we they're

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funny so that I can go to Pakistan I can

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go to Afghanistan I can go to even

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America and my lectures on jihad and

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terrorism the maximum you ership it has

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got more than 100 million people and it

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is meant for the full world I'm giving

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here it is being recorded mean telecast

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the thing is I cannot force anyone the

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point of the sword accept my methods can

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oppose you

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am i forcing you am i forcing you to

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accept my message now you know how can I

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force the people of Pakistan how can I

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hold the people of Afghanistan at the

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same time at the same time at the same

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time I also tell the innocent people

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being killed I agree with you what is

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the numbers you said you know four or

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five people converting here is better

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than telling that my job is to deliver

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the message first acronym anthem zakat

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mentioned in the Quran surah - after it

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it was someone 21 22 our job is to

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deliver the message we can convert

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hearts Allah told the Prophet you are

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not the manager of a faith it is Allah

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gives the hidayah

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I can talk I cannot convert it is

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Almighty God who converts I can talk

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whether they understand or not in

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Pakistan

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it is Almighty God come into a basic

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question according to me you should see

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my cassette it's teri the Muslim

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monopoly is there is a Muslim monopoly

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if you see that cassette your mind your

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vision of terrorism will improve time

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does not permit me to give a talk here

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again right Delhi for sure according to

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me the terrorists are mainly the

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politicians it is they who create this

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you go anywhere you know in India all

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the rights that took place in directly

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directly it is a politician Bobby must

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did y de barbarie Mazda tried to take

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place why because the politicians

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Gujarat right politicians what happened

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about 9/11 see Mike I said it was an

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inside job are called to say reduce

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scientist of America they say 9/11

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cannot be done by 19 Arabs it is

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impossible it was inside job

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72 scientists of America

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knocking like inside job who didn't

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dodge bush

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okay the you understand babe let me go

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build mansions

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Afghanistan houses no people being

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killed they are sending cluster bombs

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covered there thousands of people you

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are talking about suicide bomb that is

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Haram I'm not condoning it I'm

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condemning it but the biggest thing to

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be condemned is the American sending the

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fighters in Afghanistan killing

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thousands of people in Iraq killing

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thousands of people

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Saddam Hussein I'm not a fan of Saddam

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Hussein he had done mistakes the people

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of Iraq they were fed up of Saddam

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Hussein but after America came there

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they are more fed up of the American

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than Saddam Hussein that does not

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justify just because Saddam Hussein was

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bad that does not justify America to

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come and take away das by either doing

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it for the money for the oil what is the

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main interest is the oil who created

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Taliban when Russia came the Americans

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supported the plan is created Taliban

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now they wanted to take over the

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fighting back who's the creation

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Americans the biggest is that one to me

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in this history George Bush now he's no

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longer there George Bush number one on

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that sorry I'm who is he on there with

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me on that so I am also going to America

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I'm even going to America life I don't

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satellite giving the message to

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Americans I was the first person that I

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know of in the public after 9/11 in

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Australia I said I'm a fundamentalist

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and I consider George Bush to be the

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biggest terrorist it came at headlines

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in December in December 2001 when I gave

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a talk in Australia when the Consul

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General asked me that what do you

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consider whose are terrorists I said

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George Bush number one it came as

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headline dr. zakir naik call themselves

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the fundamentalist and considered George

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Bush to be terrorist number one now

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every Tom Dick and Harry is calling him

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a terrorist at that time no one has the

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guts what we realize we are speaking the

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truth whether George Bush you know many

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people say when I ever talked in London

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on terrorism very good talk people

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enjoyed a youngster commander to George

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Bush George Bush full talk of mangani

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have a beloved prophet of masala Salaam

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there were two staunchest enemy of Islam

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both were called Omar Omar on the

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Prophet prayed to Allah that give

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Hidayah to one of these tumor and omar

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bin khattab may allah be pleased with

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him was a secondary of some Allah gave

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his daya who was the staunchest enemy of

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Islam became the staunchest supporters

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therefore I said may Allah give you

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there to George Bush I cannot I can

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speak I cannot even Iyer

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I can tell him what he's doing is wrong

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I don't want to kill him I want them to

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accept Islam killing is useless what's

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the use of killing accepting is better

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so that is the reason we are giving the

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message those whose hearts are clean the

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accepting insha'Allah God would open

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your heart also one day he went God

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opened your heart one day I cannot do it

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I can give the message I can push you

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unless God give you unless you strive if

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you strive God will help you if you

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don't strive your heart will not be

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opened some people ask questions only

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for questioning and a question which

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but the true gentleman

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Marcia with Chavo head when he gets the

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answer he accepts it you know people

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just ask for questioning my question

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Bush negative you spoke very loudly I am

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asking I gave a speech I said so many

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things do you agree with an order yes I

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agree with it are you a new I'm actually

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your favorite I'm an atheist

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it is Marcia I heard you enjoy your idea

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you're my favorite

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no I'm not your friend but I was told

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that you like having debates it's such

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yes yes

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it is okay brother you're an atheist

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fine I would like to congratulate you

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you'd like to work I'd like to

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congratulate you you know why there

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isn't a completely because all the

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others all the human being the blindly

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following father the Christians our son

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is a Christian his parents are Hindu

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he's a Hindu many of the Muslim parents

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are Muslims you are thinking I don't

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know their father or their father they

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did no good

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so you're thinking these are the people

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they worship the Almighty God who falls

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down and breaks so you are looking and

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the reason I congratulate because you

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have said the first part of the Islamic

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Shah Dada la ilaha there is no God we

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have already said half the Karma another

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second time they have said the full

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Karma you are half Muslim now it just

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means half calm I know Lila ha only

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thing afternoon la la batalla which I

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shall do inshallah I'm congratulating

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you because you have agreed with the

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other people who believe in wrong gods

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first I have to spend half my time in

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time to convince them the God ever

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shipping is wrong we have already agreed

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there is no God only thing I have to do

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is prove to you about Allah which I

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shall do inshallah brother suppose they

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the equipment which is bought equipment

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important front of you no one in the

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world has ever seen

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no human being a scene is one in front

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of you and if ask you the question who

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is the first person who will be able to

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tell you the mechanism of the equipment

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I heard this speech and it's the Creator

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it is a creator so the creator of that

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equipment will be the first person who

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will be able to tell you the mechanism

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of that object you may say creator you

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may say manufacturer you may say

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inventor you may say make a whatever it

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is somewhat similar now I am asking you

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a question how did this universe come

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into existence how did this universe

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come into existence you are going to now

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mention the Big Bang and although I'm

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asking you

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tell me what I'm going to measure I want

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to know what whatever if you know you

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are I'm asking you according to your

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nose the thing is I've actually heard

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this speech before my really a good fan

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of yours you know that I shall you're a

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good fan good fan radicular practical if

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you're a practical file you will follow

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if I'm wrong you correct me if I'm right

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to join me

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no I only learnt about you about two

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weeks back actually fine

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two weeks you became a great fan marshal

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I'm very happy about it in two ways you

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learn about me that means you know you

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know about the creation the Big Bang

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which became snow recently Quran

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mentioned fourteen years ago in Surrey

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I'm glad chapter 21 verse number 30 our

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lives in a coffer overseas but do you

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know that yeah similarly we did not know

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that the earth was spherical we came to

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recently Quran mentioned fourteen years

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ago in surah nas' chapter 7 and verse

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summer that need a spherical we thought

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first the light of the moon is all night

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Quran mentions fourteen years ago the

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light of the Moon is not its own and

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affected light which became know

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recently who could have mentioned this

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they've biology there is water cycle

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which we learned in school

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there is embryology there is genetics my

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question is who would have mentioned all

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these things in the Quran so if you have

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heard this you also know the answer who

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could have mentioned in the Quran same

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answer the Creator the Creator this

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Creator who has mentioned in the Quran

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we Korra's Allah so that we do believe

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in the Creator who could have mentioned

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this in the Quran the Creator the

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Creator created the human beings the

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person who created all this universe it

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can be human me who writes all this so

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now do you believe in the Creator well

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there are different perspectives you see

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a person science or you can think about

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God now the debate is which to follow

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you can follow both I believe in both

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I'm a student of science also also I'm a

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believer in God Boris as my opening

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question stated what I asked about

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terrorism I believe you also know those

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are certain facts that will come to tell

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you them later on yeah

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I don't know brother avail brother will

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you ask me direct question who said

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bombing killing innocent wrong I give

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direct answer now I am asking you a

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direct question you give me right answer

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you asked me you were happy with man sir

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no beating around the bush I am ask you

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directly when you believe in the Creator

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why don't you accept the Creator I am

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ask you directly you ask me direct

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question in front of 30,000 people I

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give a direct answer I am asking any

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question you didn't believe in God I

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congratulate you

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now I prove to you that the Creator or

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the Quran now I'm asking the question

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why don't you believe in the Creator I

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didn't say that I believe in the Creator

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making your speech oh I didn't watch

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whether I didn't ask you to come here to

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mimic me please did I ask you to come

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and mimic me I asked you who wrote you

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said Creator

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I didn't say did I say that no my speech

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I don't say that's what you said even I

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didn't say the question I said that

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means you haven't seen my speech

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correctly like how you are telling when

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I ask any atheist he gives the reply

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create or not I not I that means I

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haven't seen my speech correctly it is a

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person like you who I might have asked

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the question do he give the reply like

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how you give the reply now did I ask you

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to mimic or did I ask you to give answer

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from your heart so that means you are

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not a very truthful person now you asked

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me a question brother

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I give answer directly from my heart

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correct you know I'm asked me a question

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you give Nansen or thing that I

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mimicking okay if I say the Creator is

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what you want to hear

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now here no I believe you

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if we say that I agree to the Creator

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now what if I say that I agree to the

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creator of what was written but I don't

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believe what was written justifies

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everything you're giving me six very

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good very good six things but there's a

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lot in life that's not written there

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fine fine gravity or you're just telling

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me about light very very good very good

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the brother says it believes in the

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Creator but everything is not there

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brother this book the Quran is not a

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book of science SC i N

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see it's a book of science s IG ns

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it's a book of ayats there are more than

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6,000 signs 6000 ayats in the Quran or

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talk which more than a thousand speak

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about science it's not a book of science

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2 plus 2 equal to 4 does not it in there

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but the beauty of it is what is written

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we did not know you men mean didn't ask

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me the Creator Road

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if it had everything of science it would

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be a voluminous book as big as the world

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trade center or maybe it's bridge the

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web knowledge building now it is not a

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book of science rather please not

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misunderstand it is to prove through the

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scientists that this is the Word of God

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this is a lot of greater what do you

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have to tell me to disprove it you have

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to take out a mistake in the Quran Quran

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says in surah and decides after for

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worse Tamara - for Allah yes at the

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brunel of Quran well how can I mean in

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the gorilla never Judah fix elephant

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kathira do they not consider the quran'

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with care

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had it been from anyone besides Allah

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they would have been contradictions in

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it there have been mistakes in it so for

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you to disprove the Quran to be the word

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of Allah we have to take our mistakes

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that does it I said please come up and

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take out mistakes in the Quran why if

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it's wrong I will leave it if it's right

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you join me

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it's a - wait not one way but how old is

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the Quran I don't exactly know how the

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Quran is approximately 1400 years old ok

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and how long have human beings existed

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in this planet you remind me a millions

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of years millions of years I'm not

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challenging you don't don't get this

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wrong I've just my life people values me

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what is the right people challenging ya

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ok if you want to challenge then I'll

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take that step then ok what is the

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reason that first of all is I believe

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Christianity is older than Islam we

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shall be not older than Islam what's the

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difference if plam is there since time

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immemorial since man set foot on the

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earth ok

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from the first amendment already there

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Prophet Muhammad is the last and final

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messenger he came 1400 years ago he was

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the last messenger Quran is the last

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evolution not the first revelation this

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is the last Testament

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otherwise Islam is a sin

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Memorial it's an asylum Jesus Christ was

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a Muslim according to Quran Abraham was

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a Muslim Oakland Oakland peace be upon

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them all so Islam means peace acquired

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by submitting a will to Almighty God

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it is there since time immemorial okay

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so getting to the point I asked you the

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timescale that the Koran has existed and

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the timescale of human beings after your

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time fear of Quran if now maybe a fifth

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time you know of the Quran the Quran no

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the holy book not not Islam we can say

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Islam existed for forever but why was

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the Quran invent placed on earth

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afterwards I also wanted to ask you

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something I always wanted to know about

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that is the Darwin's theory of evolution

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I know there's a lot of controversy on

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that but why do you do you believe in

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evolution or you believe man was placed

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directly and the whole thing of apes the

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science that has proved that human

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beings emanated from apes do you agree

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to question that sorry about that

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no problem to question do you believe in

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Darwin's theory science has proved that

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you men be the manipulated from ape do

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you believe in do you believe that you

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mean me the place and second question if

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I was Quran revealed for the angels back

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why not before two questions regarding a

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correction in your question science

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hasn't proved that you mean me that me

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or from me it is Darwin's theory not

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Darwin's fact it's the theory there is

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no book today there is no book today on

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the face of the earth we save the fact

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of evolution its theory the fact of the

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origin of human beings no it's eerie and

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for your information Darwin himself said

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that they were missing links in the

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theory if you read his book On the

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Origin of Species

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he writes in this on a ship by the name

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of HMS Beagle he goes to a island by the

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name of calatrava's and they received

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birds were packing in Mitch's in holes

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based on the holes they pecked the beak

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of the birds became short and long based

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on that observation he propounded the

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theory of natural selection he wrote a

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letter to his friend Thomas Tom Paine in

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1861

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I have no proof for my theory of

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evolution but because it helps me in

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giving replies to embryology to genetics

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that there isn't a proponent no proof on

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it that is in a school you know to joke

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around which to say if you were present

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at Darwin's time the oven would have

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been proved right time to infinite I'm

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telling my colleague either ape is a

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monkey there were missing links

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furthermore all the three stages today

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science and advance we have come to know

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that the first and or safer to give a

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nice man the next stage that we have

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Neanderthal man cro-magnon all these

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stages that we have today of the human

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being that we found there's no link

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between them certain things what Darwin

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said that life is evolved from water I

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agree with that Quran says that sorry

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MBA chapter 21 Muslim assertive or

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nominal my coalition hey we have created

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every living thing from water I believe

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in that but saying that we have evolved

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from one specialty at the in the

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hypothesis according to molecular

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biologist and say scrape he said it is

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letting my imagination run true while to

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say that we have been evolved from apes

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if that was true today we'll find

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someone in between man and human being

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you only find into mythology you don't

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find anywhere in the world a monkey man

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do you find so what do the evolutionist

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talk now it is a hypothesis and most of

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the scientists today disagree with it

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there is only a small negligible

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percentage with you believe in Darwin's

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theory majority of the scientists of all

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day disprove Darwin's theory I feel your

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knowledge of science is not up to date

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brother but doctor not bad wait

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all right you asking me a question I am

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replying then we have to give chance to

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other they are all there are five six

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questions sorry I thought you are being

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entertained you having fun with the end

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renew under enter name the other

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non-muslim brothers if all non-muslim

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girl ever come back to you so what we

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realized our wins theory brother your

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knowledge on science is weak we say Adam

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and Eve were the first human beings that

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for the Quran says furthermore regarding

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a second question okay after answer

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question I'm gonna answer second

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question you want to put the third

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question that mean on listening to me or

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you have forgotten you have two

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questions

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diversity that we are a good question

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era now you ask me the question why was

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Quran revealed 49 years back by not

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before you know my son he wants to

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become a doctor he's telling me father

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Abba why he would be in school and

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college why don't you put me in Medical

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College directly and first go to nursery

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then go to primary then go to secondary

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school then go to college then go to

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medical college I can't put up a medical

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call it directly why he should know the

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basics similarly Almighty God is our

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Creator he kept on sending at the

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revelations Almighty God our Creator

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thought 1400 years back was the right

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time that human we could absorb this

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message he revealed it

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he's our Creator he knows better than

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you and me 1400 years back he revealed

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his last message the Quran - the last

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and final messenger mohammed salah

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solemn and mention the front in forum

24:03

Isaiah chapter number 5 verse number 3

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on this day have a perfected my religion

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for you the perfect form and have

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complete my favour on you each one the

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human beings and has chosen for you

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Islam after this nothing new can be

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added into the basics of Islam nothing

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can be subtracted that's it so Almighty

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God knows when we can imbibe the message

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of the Quran and this is the last

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Testament last messenger prophet

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Muhammad no other messenger come after

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this hope this answer question and I

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hope that you even accept besides being

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my fan we also accept my teachings in

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Shahi be next time when you come here

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maybe next time you tell me I come again

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tomorrow timeframe tomorrow I come back

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fast for you alone

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