An Atheist Debates with Dr Zakir
morning mr. zakir naik my name is jaime
sh domani
first of all i want to thank you for
what you're doing you have really taken
a lot away from me I'm sure my question
is on your point number three actually I
have three questions if you could be so
kind but on point number three first of
all I felt that you it was very evasive
your your answer but what I'm going to
ask you is very simple when you talk
about terrorism when you talk about
Islam now this is a very simple
straightforward question I hope I can
get a straightforward answer with what's
happening in Pakistan Iraq Afghanistan
just to name a few I'm not stereotyping
I hope no one takes offence but when you
hear on the news that a woman is cooking
food for our kids and in a suicide
bomber comes and kills them I want to
ask you a simple question what is that
is that Islam or is that people who
don't understand what Islam is and they
have their own perception of Islam and
please let me ask you one more thing can
you give me an answer that is not in
world war one or something there were
more people that died or this is all
propaganda and these are Americans
killing people and your mindset then
again by circling the weather of the
question that the years in Afghanistan
in Pakistan a woman cooking for us who
said Mumbai comes and blows up and kills
as far as it's not what the media is
saying forget about it I'll give you
ruling of Islam whether what the media
says right or wrong Quran says in surah
maidah chapter number 5 verse number 32
if anyone kills any other human being
unless it be for murder
or for spreading corruption in the land
it is as though he has killed the whole
of humanity any person kills any other
human being where the Muslim or
non-muslim unless it be for murder
or for spreading corruption in the land
it is as though he has killed the whole
of humanity and if any human being saved
that the human being it is as though he
has saved the whole nation so-called
with the Quran killing any single in
human being is prohibited if a suicide
bomber comes and kills a woman who's
cooking Jennison it is 100% prohibited
whether they're in Pakistan Afghanistan
America Dubai is the answer clear okay
hundred percent off whoever was doing it
whoever was doing it whoever doing it
whether namesake Muslim or American or
propaganda whoever's doing it it is
totally prohibited okay fine since the
clear answer that hundred wasn't clear
whether you do anyone does wrong yeah
100 percent wrong it is as though yes
killed the whole of humanity there is no
other scripture that I know of today
there's no other scripture that I know
of today that gives this statement that
if you kill one human being it is as
though you killed all you might accept
the Koran there's no other scripture
that I know we say that if you say one
human me you have saved the whole of
humanity no other scripture perfect now
can I ask you something
if you're emotional this is wrong yeah
and there wasn't no fine fine fine now
why are you here the way I look at it
all of these innocent loving people here
why isn't this convention somewhere like
Afghanistan and Pakistan trying to teach
people that what they are doing is not
Islam and it's just some brainwashed
chaos and that they're going to go to
hell and they're not going to go to
heaven for killing innocent people for
the 9/11 attacks for the London bombings
innocent people died if I don't like you
and I kill you it's more justified than
if I don't like somebody if I don't like
Jews and I go and kill innocent
Americans with families why don't you go
and educate these people and have a
better cause rather than converting four
or five people here Marcia thousands of
lives but rather last a very good
question
he is telling me why don't they go to
Pakistan to Afghanistan and spread this
message and prevent this brother I go
every day even now I'm going there I am
on the satellite we have peace TV
reaching 100 million people this is how
much that's what
twenty thirty thousand people the
audience here will be twenty thirty
thousand people not more than that you
see that recording why do we they're
funny so that I can go to Pakistan I can
go to Afghanistan I can go to even
America and my lectures on jihad and
terrorism the maximum you ership it has
got more than 100 million people and it
is meant for the full world I'm giving
here it is being recorded mean telecast
the thing is I cannot force anyone the
point of the sword accept my methods can
oppose you
am i forcing you am i forcing you to
accept my message now you know how can I
force the people of Pakistan how can I
hold the people of Afghanistan at the
same time at the same time at the same
time I also tell the innocent people
being killed I agree with you what is
the numbers you said you know four or
five people converting here is better
than telling that my job is to deliver
the message first acronym anthem zakat
mentioned in the Quran surah - after it
it was someone 21 22 our job is to
deliver the message we can convert
hearts Allah told the Prophet you are
not the manager of a faith it is Allah
gives the hidayah
I can talk I cannot convert it is
Almighty God who converts I can talk
whether they understand or not in
Pakistan
it is Almighty God come into a basic
question according to me you should see
my cassette it's teri the Muslim
monopoly is there is a Muslim monopoly
if you see that cassette your mind your
vision of terrorism will improve time
does not permit me to give a talk here
again right Delhi for sure according to
me the terrorists are mainly the
politicians it is they who create this
you go anywhere you know in India all
the rights that took place in directly
directly it is a politician Bobby must
did y de barbarie Mazda tried to take
place why because the politicians
Gujarat right politicians what happened
about 9/11 see Mike I said it was an
inside job are called to say reduce
scientist of America they say 9/11
cannot be done by 19 Arabs it is
impossible it was inside job
72 scientists of America
knocking like inside job who didn't
dodge bush
okay the you understand babe let me go
build mansions
Afghanistan houses no people being
killed they are sending cluster bombs
covered there thousands of people you
are talking about suicide bomb that is
Haram I'm not condoning it I'm
condemning it but the biggest thing to
be condemned is the American sending the
fighters in Afghanistan killing
thousands of people in Iraq killing
thousands of people
Saddam Hussein I'm not a fan of Saddam
Hussein he had done mistakes the people
of Iraq they were fed up of Saddam
Hussein but after America came there
they are more fed up of the American
than Saddam Hussein that does not
justify just because Saddam Hussein was
bad that does not justify America to
come and take away das by either doing
it for the money for the oil what is the
main interest is the oil who created
Taliban when Russia came the Americans
supported the plan is created Taliban
now they wanted to take over the
fighting back who's the creation
Americans the biggest is that one to me
in this history George Bush now he's no
longer there George Bush number one on
that sorry I'm who is he on there with
me on that so I am also going to America
I'm even going to America life I don't
satellite giving the message to
Americans I was the first person that I
know of in the public after 9/11 in
Australia I said I'm a fundamentalist
and I consider George Bush to be the
biggest terrorist it came at headlines
in December in December 2001 when I gave
a talk in Australia when the Consul
General asked me that what do you
consider whose are terrorists I said
George Bush number one it came as
headline dr. zakir naik call themselves
the fundamentalist and considered George
Bush to be terrorist number one now
every Tom Dick and Harry is calling him
a terrorist at that time no one has the
guts what we realize we are speaking the
truth whether George Bush you know many
people say when I ever talked in London
on terrorism very good talk people
enjoyed a youngster commander to George
Bush George Bush full talk of mangani
have a beloved prophet of masala Salaam
there were two staunchest enemy of Islam
both were called Omar Omar on the
Prophet prayed to Allah that give
Hidayah to one of these tumor and omar
bin khattab may allah be pleased with
him was a secondary of some Allah gave
his daya who was the staunchest enemy of
Islam became the staunchest supporters
therefore I said may Allah give you
there to George Bush I cannot I can
speak I cannot even Iyer
I can tell him what he's doing is wrong
I don't want to kill him I want them to
accept Islam killing is useless what's
the use of killing accepting is better
so that is the reason we are giving the
message those whose hearts are clean the
accepting insha'Allah God would open
your heart also one day he went God
opened your heart one day I cannot do it
I can give the message I can push you
unless God give you unless you strive if
you strive God will help you if you
don't strive your heart will not be
opened some people ask questions only
for questioning and a question which
but the true gentleman
Marcia with Chavo head when he gets the
answer he accepts it you know people
just ask for questioning my question
Bush negative you spoke very loudly I am
asking I gave a speech I said so many
things do you agree with an order yes I
agree with it are you a new I'm actually
your favorite I'm an atheist
it is Marcia I heard you enjoy your idea
you're my favorite
no I'm not your friend but I was told
that you like having debates it's such
yes yes
it is okay brother you're an atheist
fine I would like to congratulate you
you'd like to work I'd like to
congratulate you you know why there
isn't a completely because all the
others all the human being the blindly
following father the Christians our son
is a Christian his parents are Hindu
he's a Hindu many of the Muslim parents
are Muslims you are thinking I don't
know their father or their father they
did no good
so you're thinking these are the people
they worship the Almighty God who falls
down and breaks so you are looking and
the reason I congratulate because you
have said the first part of the Islamic
Shah Dada la ilaha there is no God we
have already said half the Karma another
second time they have said the full
Karma you are half Muslim now it just
means half calm I know Lila ha only
thing afternoon la la batalla which I
shall do inshallah I'm congratulating
you because you have agreed with the
other people who believe in wrong gods
first I have to spend half my time in
time to convince them the God ever
shipping is wrong we have already agreed
there is no God only thing I have to do
is prove to you about Allah which I
shall do inshallah brother suppose they
the equipment which is bought equipment
important front of you no one in the
world has ever seen
no human being a scene is one in front
of you and if ask you the question who
is the first person who will be able to
tell you the mechanism of the equipment
I heard this speech and it's the Creator
it is a creator so the creator of that
equipment will be the first person who
will be able to tell you the mechanism
of that object you may say creator you
may say manufacturer you may say
inventor you may say make a whatever it
is somewhat similar now I am asking you
a question how did this universe come
into existence how did this universe
come into existence you are going to now
mention the Big Bang and although I'm
asking you
tell me what I'm going to measure I want
to know what whatever if you know you
are I'm asking you according to your
nose the thing is I've actually heard
this speech before my really a good fan
of yours you know that I shall you're a
good fan good fan radicular practical if
you're a practical file you will follow
if I'm wrong you correct me if I'm right
to join me
no I only learnt about you about two
weeks back actually fine
two weeks you became a great fan marshal
I'm very happy about it in two ways you
learn about me that means you know you
know about the creation the Big Bang
which became snow recently Quran
mentioned fourteen years ago in Surrey
I'm glad chapter 21 verse number 30 our
lives in a coffer overseas but do you
know that yeah similarly we did not know
that the earth was spherical we came to
recently Quran mentioned fourteen years
ago in surah nas' chapter 7 and verse
summer that need a spherical we thought
first the light of the moon is all night
Quran mentions fourteen years ago the
light of the Moon is not its own and
affected light which became know
recently who could have mentioned this
they've biology there is water cycle
which we learned in school
there is embryology there is genetics my
question is who would have mentioned all
these things in the Quran so if you have
heard this you also know the answer who
could have mentioned in the Quran same
answer the Creator the Creator this
Creator who has mentioned in the Quran
we Korra's Allah so that we do believe
in the Creator who could have mentioned
this in the Quran the Creator the
Creator created the human beings the
person who created all this universe it
can be human me who writes all this so
now do you believe in the Creator well
there are different perspectives you see
a person science or you can think about
God now the debate is which to follow
you can follow both I believe in both
I'm a student of science also also I'm a
believer in God Boris as my opening
question stated what I asked about
terrorism I believe you also know those
are certain facts that will come to tell
you them later on yeah
I don't know brother avail brother will
you ask me direct question who said
bombing killing innocent wrong I give
direct answer now I am asking you a
direct question you give me right answer
you asked me you were happy with man sir
no beating around the bush I am ask you
directly when you believe in the Creator
why don't you accept the Creator I am
ask you directly you ask me direct
question in front of 30,000 people I
give a direct answer I am asking any
question you didn't believe in God I
congratulate you
now I prove to you that the Creator or
the Quran now I'm asking the question
why don't you believe in the Creator I
didn't say that I believe in the Creator
making your speech oh I didn't watch
whether I didn't ask you to come here to
mimic me please did I ask you to come
and mimic me I asked you who wrote you
said Creator
I didn't say did I say that no my speech
I don't say that's what you said even I
didn't say the question I said that
means you haven't seen my speech
correctly like how you are telling when
I ask any atheist he gives the reply
create or not I not I that means I
haven't seen my speech correctly it is a
person like you who I might have asked
the question do he give the reply like
how you give the reply now did I ask you
to mimic or did I ask you to give answer
from your heart so that means you are
not a very truthful person now you asked
me a question brother
I give answer directly from my heart
correct you know I'm asked me a question
you give Nansen or thing that I
mimicking okay if I say the Creator is
what you want to hear
now here no I believe you
if we say that I agree to the Creator
now what if I say that I agree to the
creator of what was written but I don't
believe what was written justifies
everything you're giving me six very
good very good six things but there's a
lot in life that's not written there
fine fine gravity or you're just telling
me about light very very good very good
the brother says it believes in the
Creator but everything is not there
brother this book the Quran is not a
book of science SC i N
see it's a book of science s IG ns
it's a book of ayats there are more than
6,000 signs 6000 ayats in the Quran or
talk which more than a thousand speak
about science it's not a book of science
2 plus 2 equal to 4 does not it in there
but the beauty of it is what is written
we did not know you men mean didn't ask
me the Creator Road
if it had everything of science it would
be a voluminous book as big as the world
trade center or maybe it's bridge the
web knowledge building now it is not a
book of science rather please not
misunderstand it is to prove through the
scientists that this is the Word of God
this is a lot of greater what do you
have to tell me to disprove it you have
to take out a mistake in the Quran Quran
says in surah and decides after for
worse Tamara - for Allah yes at the
brunel of Quran well how can I mean in
the gorilla never Judah fix elephant
kathira do they not consider the quran'
with care
had it been from anyone besides Allah
they would have been contradictions in
it there have been mistakes in it so for
you to disprove the Quran to be the word
of Allah we have to take our mistakes
that does it I said please come up and
take out mistakes in the Quran why if
it's wrong I will leave it if it's right
you join me
it's a - wait not one way but how old is
the Quran I don't exactly know how the
Quran is approximately 1400 years old ok
and how long have human beings existed
in this planet you remind me a millions
of years millions of years I'm not
challenging you don't don't get this
wrong I've just my life people values me
what is the right people challenging ya
ok if you want to challenge then I'll
take that step then ok what is the
reason that first of all is I believe
Christianity is older than Islam we
shall be not older than Islam what's the
difference if plam is there since time
immemorial since man set foot on the
earth ok
from the first amendment already there
Prophet Muhammad is the last and final
messenger he came 1400 years ago he was
the last messenger Quran is the last
evolution not the first revelation this
is the last Testament
otherwise Islam is a sin
Memorial it's an asylum Jesus Christ was
a Muslim according to Quran Abraham was
a Muslim Oakland Oakland peace be upon
them all so Islam means peace acquired
by submitting a will to Almighty God
it is there since time immemorial okay
so getting to the point I asked you the
timescale that the Koran has existed and
the timescale of human beings after your
time fear of Quran if now maybe a fifth
time you know of the Quran the Quran no
the holy book not not Islam we can say
Islam existed for forever but why was
the Quran invent placed on earth
afterwards I also wanted to ask you
something I always wanted to know about
that is the Darwin's theory of evolution
I know there's a lot of controversy on
that but why do you do you believe in
evolution or you believe man was placed
directly and the whole thing of apes the
science that has proved that human
beings emanated from apes do you agree
to question that sorry about that
no problem to question do you believe in
Darwin's theory science has proved that
you men be the manipulated from ape do
you believe in do you believe that you
mean me the place and second question if
I was Quran revealed for the angels back
why not before two questions regarding a
correction in your question science
hasn't proved that you mean me that me
or from me it is Darwin's theory not
Darwin's fact it's the theory there is
no book today there is no book today on
the face of the earth we save the fact
of evolution its theory the fact of the
origin of human beings no it's eerie and
for your information Darwin himself said
that they were missing links in the
theory if you read his book On the
Origin of Species
he writes in this on a ship by the name
of HMS Beagle he goes to a island by the
name of calatrava's and they received
birds were packing in Mitch's in holes
based on the holes they pecked the beak
of the birds became short and long based
on that observation he propounded the
theory of natural selection he wrote a
letter to his friend Thomas Tom Paine in
1861
I have no proof for my theory of
evolution but because it helps me in
giving replies to embryology to genetics
that there isn't a proponent no proof on
it that is in a school you know to joke
around which to say if you were present
at Darwin's time the oven would have
been proved right time to infinite I'm
telling my colleague either ape is a
monkey there were missing links
furthermore all the three stages today
science and advance we have come to know
that the first and or safer to give a
nice man the next stage that we have
Neanderthal man cro-magnon all these
stages that we have today of the human
being that we found there's no link
between them certain things what Darwin
said that life is evolved from water I
agree with that Quran says that sorry
MBA chapter 21 Muslim assertive or
nominal my coalition hey we have created
every living thing from water I believe
in that but saying that we have evolved
from one specialty at the in the
hypothesis according to molecular
biologist and say scrape he said it is
letting my imagination run true while to
say that we have been evolved from apes
if that was true today we'll find
someone in between man and human being
you only find into mythology you don't
find anywhere in the world a monkey man
do you find so what do the evolutionist
talk now it is a hypothesis and most of
the scientists today disagree with it
there is only a small negligible
percentage with you believe in Darwin's
theory majority of the scientists of all
day disprove Darwin's theory I feel your
knowledge of science is not up to date
brother but doctor not bad wait
all right you asking me a question I am
replying then we have to give chance to
other they are all there are five six
questions sorry I thought you are being
entertained you having fun with the end
renew under enter name the other
non-muslim brothers if all non-muslim
girl ever come back to you so what we
realized our wins theory brother your
knowledge on science is weak we say Adam
and Eve were the first human beings that
for the Quran says furthermore regarding
a second question okay after answer
question I'm gonna answer second
question you want to put the third
question that mean on listening to me or
you have forgotten you have two
questions
diversity that we are a good question
era now you ask me the question why was
Quran revealed 49 years back by not
before you know my son he wants to
become a doctor he's telling me father
Abba why he would be in school and
college why don't you put me in Medical
College directly and first go to nursery
then go to primary then go to secondary
school then go to college then go to
medical college I can't put up a medical
call it directly why he should know the
basics similarly Almighty God is our
Creator he kept on sending at the
revelations Almighty God our Creator
thought 1400 years back was the right
time that human we could absorb this
message he revealed it
he's our Creator he knows better than
you and me 1400 years back he revealed
his last message the Quran - the last
and final messenger mohammed salah
solemn and mention the front in forum
Isaiah chapter number 5 verse number 3
on this day have a perfected my religion
for you the perfect form and have
complete my favour on you each one the
human beings and has chosen for you
Islam after this nothing new can be
added into the basics of Islam nothing
can be subtracted that's it so Almighty
God knows when we can imbibe the message
of the Quran and this is the last
Testament last messenger prophet
Muhammad no other messenger come after
this hope this answer question and I
hope that you even accept besides being
my fan we also accept my teachings in
Shahi be next time when you come here
maybe next time you tell me I come again
tomorrow timeframe tomorrow I come back
fast for you alone

